June 13, 2008 - 2:22pm

Pelz, McDonald and Hunt pile on 'top two' primary

SPOKANE -

Rep. Sam Hunt (D-Olympia) just introduced state Democratic Party Chair Dwight Pelz in a discussion about the "top two" primary, how it came about, and where it might lead. He enumerated the differences between Washington's current setup and the Louisiana process after which it was modeled. Hunt, like Pelz, is not a fan of the system.

Pelz read from the Supreme Court's decision that upheld I-872, notably the passage that created wiggle room by stating that voter confusion in the ballots could reverse the decision.

The party chair maintains that "it is our opinion that the courts did not uphold the constitutionality" of top two when they upheld it earlier this year, but rather they declined to rule on it.

"We think Democrats should pick Democratic candidates," he reiterated, "and Republicans should pick Republican candidates."

Pelz also railed, as an American, against the way the system would block out minor parties.

"The top two primary virtually outlaws minor parties in Washington state," Pelz said. "The fact is that they will not make it to the general election ballot virtually any time there is a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot."

He even delved into some hijinx, talking about how he was tempted to get the Democrats to all prefer a name like the Mother Teresa Party or the Democratic Prosperity Party to thumb their nose at Sam Red.

"I'm not gonna say that I immediately called Dan Savage at The Stranger to encourage someone to file for the ‘prefers men party', but someone may have done it," Pelz joked.

Sam Reed, he says, "makes it possible for politicians to lie about who they are. Everybody doesn't know what the GOP is. There's a reason Dino [Rossi] did it [chose GOP for the ballot instead of Republican], it is because he knows people don't know what the GOP is. Sam Reed thinks that is okay, and that makes people very angry."

Pelz also asserted that it hurt Democrats to allow for a mushy ballot form.

"When we say Democrat next to our name, we get more votes," he said. "Luke Esser's [Republican] Party may get fewer votes, but we get more votes."

Democratic National Committee member David McDonald also spoke on the issue, namely the legal aspect.

I-872, he says, was supposed to recreate the blanket primary, with an "R" and a "D" after the name. But by the time it got to the Supreme Court, he suggested it was considered unconstitutional.

"I do not think this initiative would have passed if it were done as it looks now," McDonald said. "I can tell you that there will be a minimum of ten elections there will be a general with two people from the same party."

There was also talk of the Democrats' nomination process. The Democratic Party Charter, according to McDonald says that the Democratic nominees should be chosen by Democrats. The Supreme Court then said in their ruling that part of the party's right is that the state cannot force them to associate with somebody. That, they suggested, is why they instilled the somewhat controversial PCO nomination process that districts like Seattle's 36th refused to follow.

"We want the people to choose," Pelz said, "but if we're forced to nominate them as a party we will. I realized it caused anxiety, and I'm proud of the people that stepped up on it."

He also suggested that if the top two isn't undone by then, it is likely that the nomination process will be changed by 2010.

Comments

Why I cannot vote for Obama


I am at the Democratic State Convention in Spokane and I cannot define the hostility present with every glance at my Hillary pin. I cannot begin to explain how disappointed I am at this moment to call myself a Democrat.

Yesterday, I attended a WA State Democratic Rules Committee Meeting which offended me beyond repair, not just as a Democrat, but more importantly as a woman. A DNC Party Leader, and no surprise an Obama supporter and Super Delegate David McDonald stood up to explain what happened at the DNC Meetings in DC-believe it was Room 111B at the Spokane Convention. He proclaimed that the DNC's votes in DC a couple of weeks ago came down to a Beauty Contest vs. a Rules Contest! I was so furious that I grabbed my bags and stormed out of the room.

Regardless of how any one feels about Senator Clinton, I am furious that one of our so called "leaders" of the Democratic Party referred to Senator Clinton's Campaign as a Beauty Contest. As a mother to a smart female, I will have no part of a Party that refers to Senator Clinton, who I honor and admire, as a Beauty Queen running for political office. Need I remind the DNC Leaders that Hillary Clinton has a law degree and over 30 years of political experience?

Over the past few weeks, I called for all of us to be reserved about our votes until a VP decision has been made, but now, I am truly sure as to what I will do with my vote. I shall not support the DNC until its puppet David McDonald apologizes for his statements about Hillary Clinton!

Anne Block, WA Delegate for Hillary Clinton, 39th LD
Attorney

06/15/08 12:20 am

Mark Greene for Secretary of State


Sam Reed is a good Secretary of State, but Mark will go a few steps further to enact the necessary electoral reforms that are needed to ensure our democracy in Washington. Mark's committee, the Committee of Commons & Political Affairs, was among the most instrumental in getting Top 2 on the ballot. Mark, if elected Secretary of State, would make it EASIER, somewhat, to get initiatives on the ballot, and Mark favors all postal mail voting, unlike his Democrat opponent, as long as there is a recourse to vote at regional polling stations for voters who prefer that method.

http://360.yahoo.com/poc_senator

06/14/08 1:13 am

Pelz's Trojan Horse


The Democratic Party wasn't so worried about minor parties when they made it harder for them to get on the ballot at all in 2004 (they, through their members in the Legislature, and the Democratic governor at the time, Locke, dramatically increased signature requirements for minor party and independent parties).

This is just a red herring, because in their aim to get "Top 2" thrown out again, they figure that they can play on the voters' sympathy for minor parties. The following article, that I wrote a few weeks ago and revised somewhat, explains why "Top 2" may actually be better for minor parties.

THE TROJAN HORSE OF DWIGHT PELZ

Washington state Democratic chairman, Dwight Pelz. and his Republican colleague, care about minor parties like Doctor Jack Kervorkian cares about a hospice patient. These are the same Democrats, by the way, with the pen of ex-Governor Gary Locke and supporters in the Legislature, that proceeded to make it much more difficult for minor parties to get on the ballot from 2004 to the recent Supreme Court decision (the Green Party barely made it onto the General Election ballot in '04), substantially raising the numerical requirements for signatures, as it related to the then requisite Minor Party/Independent Conventions.

The "Top 2" system, now, puts the major and minor parties on an equal footing in regards to ballot placement. No more conventions, which under the old system were solely for minor parties and independents.

Primaries are a fundamental part of the election process; arguably, the most important part. Primaries are not mere window dressing or an an off-beat stop on the way to the main event. If anything, it is the General Election that is secondary, because the nominees, and the political principles that they represent, have already been chosen through the primaries. Under "Top 2", all political parties, major and minor, will be able to participate in the primaries, and independent candidates as well.

I do not believe for a moment that minor parties (or independents) will automatically be shut out of the General Election. Although, it is not news that the majority of voters have supported the Democratic and Republican parties. The so-called minor party disenfranchisement charge is propaganda (from) those who simply do not support the "Top 2" system, although, the system is quite egalitarian in that the two candidates with the most votes in the primaries, whatever their affiliation, advance to the General Election. What can be more fair than that?

"Top 2" actually represents the best chance for minor party candidates to take office, but they must first show their strength through the primaries. I will concede, however, if minor parties were more interested in sending a message than winning an election, then the old system was best.

With "Top 2" there will be no more "pick-a-party". Like Washington's long tradition, you can once again vote for any candidate you want in the primary. As for minor parties and elections, the problem will be more the inertia of minor parties themselves than "Top 2". Even under the old system, I didn't see any groundswell of minor party candidates running for office. Not a single minor party candidate ran for the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington state in the year 2006. That is part of the reason why the Party of Commons was created, to energize the competition to politics as usual. Our affiliate committee, the Committee of Commons & Political Affairs (CCPA), helped to get "Top 2" on the ballot under the leadership of Mark Greene, the Party of Commons candidate for Secretary of State. CCPA got 500 signatures for the "Top 2" initiative in 2004.

As for the Democratic Party chairman helping us. No thanks -- we know a Trojan Horse when we see one.

WHAT ELSE DO THE DEMOCRATS HAVE IN STORE FOR THE ELECTION SYSTEM?

Their Secretary of State candidate (Osgood) is against all postal mail elections, although there is a recourse in the King County plan for voting the old-fashioned way at regional centers.

Some Democrat legislators are trying to make it harder for initiatives to get on the ballot by requiring registration of paid petitioners. Imagine, too many initiatives on the ballot. Too much democracy for "Democrats".

www.PartyofCommons.com

06/14/08 1:04 am

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